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		<title>By: Jeff Brandt</title>
		<link>http://chilmarkresearch.com/2009/04/27/health-20-hot-air-balloon/#comment-3013</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jeff Brandt]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 12:39:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Great review and input,

It is just the process that we have to go through anytime you have a Paradigm Shift in a vertical field such as healthcare.  A lot of people get into the act to make fast money and they fall by the way side while other get traction and people say, what a genius.  Examples, Amazon eBay even Microsoft.  IBM had to beg Gates to take the job.  The good news is that we learn a lot from others mistakes and false starts.

So keep throwing out the ideas good or bad, and let the markets decide.

Jeff Brandt
motionPHR Personal Health Record for the iPhone
mymedbox - Personal Health Record for the Google Phone]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great review and input,</p>
<p>It is just the process that we have to go through anytime you have a Paradigm Shift in a vertical field such as healthcare.  A lot of people get into the act to make fast money and they fall by the way side while other get traction and people say, what a genius.  Examples, Amazon eBay even Microsoft.  IBM had to beg Gates to take the job.  The good news is that we learn a lot from others mistakes and false starts.</p>
<p>So keep throwing out the ideas good or bad, and let the markets decide.</p>
<p>Jeff Brandt<br />
motionPHR Personal Health Record for the iPhone<br />
mymedbox &#8211; Personal Health Record for the Google Phone</p>
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		<title>By: Media Coverage of Ix-Health 2.0 Conference &#124; Information Therapy (Ix) Blog</title>
		<link>http://chilmarkresearch.com/2009/04/27/health-20-hot-air-balloon/#comment-2835</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Media Coverage of Ix-Health 2.0 Conference &#124; Information Therapy (Ix) Blog]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2009 21:15:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://chilmarkresearch.com/2009/04/27/health-20-hot-air-balloon/#comment-2766</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 May 2009 22:28:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Great feedback Eugene, thanks for taking the time to provide such a thoughtful review and response to my early comments about what your company is attempting to do in the healthcare space.  At this point, we will probably have to agree to disagree as where you see a potential business/operating model, I do not.  Just do not see how you are going to be able to get the data up into your cloud service, let alone how these ad supported rating services will survive with such deep cuts in ad spending and pharma, always the one with deep pockets, extremely reluctant to support such rating services for pretty obvious reasons.
 
Of course, I could always to proven wrong and it certainly will not be the first time and unlikely to be the last.  With that I wish you and your team the best of luck and feel free to contact me if I can be of any assistance.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great feedback Eugene, thanks for taking the time to provide such a thoughtful review and response to my early comments about what your company is attempting to do in the healthcare space.  At this point, we will probably have to agree to disagree as where you see a potential business/operating model, I do not.  Just do not see how you are going to be able to get the data up into your cloud service, let alone how these ad supported rating services will survive with such deep cuts in ad spending and pharma, always the one with deep pockets, extremely reluctant to support such rating services for pretty obvious reasons.</p>
<p>Of course, I could always to proven wrong and it certainly will not be the first time and unlikely to be the last.  With that I wish you and your team the best of luck and feel free to contact me if I can be of any assistance.</p>
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		<title>By: Eugene Borukhovich</title>
		<link>http://chilmarkresearch.com/2009/04/27/health-20-hot-air-balloon/#comment-2760</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Eugene Borukhovich]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 May 2009 00:57:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[John,

We would like to thank you for extracting our presentation out of many during the three hour Health 2.0 Accelerator session. The young company you mentioned with the cloud reviews idea was us, http://HealthWorldWeb.com, and we wanted to clarify the assumption by you that we base our business model on this idea. We are not in the doctor rating and review business - it is a commodity.

First and foremost, the goal of our idea is to provide the consumers/patients valid statistical data so they can make an educated decision. Per your commentary (...“statistical argument” makes some sense&quot;) we seem to agree - great!

Secondly, while some companies may charge for the crowdsourced knowledge, there are another 30+ sites that do not, and their business model is based on advertising. We do not force companies to hand over their assets, we offer them the opportunity to show the link to their content. What we are proposing is an open platform that would be valuable to both patients and the physicians and force some players to adjust their proprietary models.

&quot;What Would Google Do?&quot;  by Jeff Jarvis covers a lot of the points and has guided our vision around the open platform:

“Publicness is about more than having a web site. It’s about taking actions in public so people can see what you do and react to it, make suggestions, and tell their friends. Living in public today is a matter of enlightened self-interest. You have to be public to be found. Every time you decide not to make something public, you create the risk of a customer not finding you or not trusting you because you’re keeping secrets. Publicness is also an ethic. The more public you are, the easier you can be found, the more opportunities you have.”…..

“Publicness also brings us collective benefits, as should be made clear by now from the aggregated wisdom Google gathers and shares back with us thanks to our public actions: our searches, clicks, links, and creations. Publicness is a community asset. The crowd owns the wisdom of the crowd and to withhold information from that collective knowledge—a link, a restaurant rating, a bit of advice—may be a new definition of antisocial or at least selfish behavior.”

To paraphrase Clay Shirky (sorry Matthew) – “If we were not doing something right we would not have critics”

Looking forward to many more face-to-face discussion at the next event.

People can see our presentation on:

SlideShare
http://www.slideshare.net/EugeneBorukhovich/hwwh2apresentation

Youtube:

Part I - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BwiaYmQqhhI
Part 2 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJUOzKMywas
Part 3- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jdmFcv6eouM]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John,</p>
<p>We would like to thank you for extracting our presentation out of many during the three hour Health 2.0 Accelerator session. The young company you mentioned with the cloud reviews idea was us, <a href="http://HealthWorldWeb.com" rel="nofollow">http://HealthWorldWeb.com</a>, and we wanted to clarify the assumption by you that we base our business model on this idea. We are not in the doctor rating and review business &#8211; it is a commodity.</p>
<p>First and foremost, the goal of our idea is to provide the consumers/patients valid statistical data so they can make an educated decision. Per your commentary (&#8230;“statistical argument” makes some sense&#8221;) we seem to agree &#8211; great!</p>
<p>Secondly, while some companies may charge for the crowdsourced knowledge, there are another 30+ sites that do not, and their business model is based on advertising. We do not force companies to hand over their assets, we offer them the opportunity to show the link to their content. What we are proposing is an open platform that would be valuable to both patients and the physicians and force some players to adjust their proprietary models.</p>
<p>&#8220;What Would Google Do?&#8221;  by Jeff Jarvis covers a lot of the points and has guided our vision around the open platform:</p>
<p>“Publicness is about more than having a web site. It’s about taking actions in public so people can see what you do and react to it, make suggestions, and tell their friends. Living in public today is a matter of enlightened self-interest. You have to be public to be found. Every time you decide not to make something public, you create the risk of a customer not finding you or not trusting you because you’re keeping secrets. Publicness is also an ethic. The more public you are, the easier you can be found, the more opportunities you have.”…..</p>
<p>“Publicness also brings us collective benefits, as should be made clear by now from the aggregated wisdom Google gathers and shares back with us thanks to our public actions: our searches, clicks, links, and creations. Publicness is a community asset. The crowd owns the wisdom of the crowd and to withhold information from that collective knowledge—a link, a restaurant rating, a bit of advice—may be a new definition of antisocial or at least selfish behavior.”</p>
<p>To paraphrase Clay Shirky (sorry Matthew) – “If we were not doing something right we would not have critics”</p>
<p>Looking forward to many more face-to-face discussion at the next event.</p>
<p>People can see our presentation on:</p>
<p>SlideShare<br />
<a href="http://www.slideshare.net/EugeneBorukhovich/hwwh2apresentation" rel="nofollow">http://www.slideshare.net/EugeneBorukhovich/hwwh2apresentation</a></p>
<p>Youtube:</p>
<p>Part I &#8211; <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BwiaYmQqhhI" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BwiaYmQqhhI</a><br />
Part 2 &#8211; <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJUOzKMywas" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJUOzKMywas</a><br />
Part 3- <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jdmFcv6eouM" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jdmFcv6eouM</a></p>
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		<title>By: Headlines for Apr 26-May 2 &#124; Health Content Advisors</title>
		<link>http://chilmarkresearch.com/2009/04/27/health-20-hot-air-balloon/#comment-2754</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Headlines for Apr 26-May 2 &#124; Health Content Advisors]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 May 2009 12:39:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Health 2.0 meets Ix: The Rise of the Patient Voices &#124; e-Patients.net</title>
		<link>http://chilmarkresearch.com/2009/04/27/health-20-hot-air-balloon/#comment-2735</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Health 2.0 meets Ix: The Rise of the Patient Voices &#124; e-Patients.net]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Apr 2009 02:51:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] am not willing to get involved in this discussion because in some ways I think it missed the most important aspect of the conference. I did send a [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: Dmitriy Kruglyak</title>
		<link>http://chilmarkresearch.com/2009/04/27/health-20-hot-air-balloon/#comment-2734</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dmitriy Kruglyak]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 21:09:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[John, no pressure to pick up the baton :). At this point I think the ideas of reason and rationality are spreading on their own.

IMHO, anyone who has anything that is growing and thriving would be crazy to label it Health 2.0. Why get a promising project lumped with dreamers, delusionists and snake oil salesmen? Only those who have no fundamentals to rely on would need Health 2.0 label and approval of people like Ellsworth Toohey, I mean Matthew Holt. That&#039;s exactly what &quot;G&quot; is saying.

If anyone thinks &quot;becoming Health 2.0&quot; and going to these conferences is a path to success, please contact me for some great rates on oceanfront real estate in Las Vegas! LOL.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John, no pressure to pick up the baton <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> . At this point I think the ideas of reason and rationality are spreading on their own.</p>
<p>IMHO, anyone who has anything that is growing and thriving would be crazy to label it Health 2.0. Why get a promising project lumped with dreamers, delusionists and snake oil salesmen? Only those who have no fundamentals to rely on would need Health 2.0 label and approval of people like Ellsworth Toohey, I mean Matthew Holt. That&#8217;s exactly what &#8220;G&#8221; is saying.</p>
<p>If anyone thinks &#8220;becoming Health 2.0&#8243; and going to these conferences is a path to success, please contact me for some great rates on oceanfront real estate in Las Vegas! LOL.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://chilmarkresearch.com/2009/04/27/health-20-hot-air-balloon/#comment-2733</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 20:43:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[When I see something actually growing, thriving, I&#039;ll take notice, don&#039;t you worry about that, and such notice will be far above bulbs, above scrubs and if we ever get there, above the forest, but first we need seedlings (healthy vibrant ones at that) to nurture.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I see something actually growing, thriving, I&#8217;ll take notice, don&#8217;t you worry about that, and such notice will be far above bulbs, above scrubs and if we ever get there, above the forest, but first we need seedlings (healthy vibrant ones at that) to nurture.</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew Holt</title>
		<link>http://chilmarkresearch.com/2009/04/27/health-20-hot-air-balloon/#comment-2732</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Matthew Holt]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 17:31:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[John, fair enough although please look at the shrubbery and not just the bulbs! 

I think it&#039;s easier to say &quot;Health 2.0&quot; than to say “consumer-facing technologies that will assist them in better managing their health and/or the health of loved ones.” but we&#039;re pretty much talking about the same things :)

But you do know that you have to do what Dmitriy says. It&#039;s the law of the Internets...

as for the 4.0 version, that&#039;s Jen McCabe Gorman&#039;s terminology, and much as I love Jen, unenthusiastic is not how I&#039;d describe her!

cheers &amp; I&#039;m enjoying the banter in what I hope people realize is a respectful way, Matthew]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John, fair enough although please look at the shrubbery and not just the bulbs! </p>
<p>I think it&#8217;s easier to say &#8220;Health 2.0&#8243; than to say “consumer-facing technologies that will assist them in better managing their health and/or the health of loved ones.” but we&#8217;re pretty much talking about the same things <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>But you do know that you have to do what Dmitriy says. It&#8217;s the law of the Internets&#8230;</p>
<p>as for the 4.0 version, that&#8217;s Jen McCabe Gorman&#8217;s terminology, and much as I love Jen, unenthusiastic is not how I&#8217;d describe her!</p>
<p>cheers &amp; I&#8217;m enjoying the banter in what I hope people realize is a respectful way, Matthew</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://chilmarkresearch.com/2009/04/27/health-20-hot-air-balloon/#comment-2730</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 15:21:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dmitiry,
Please, I beg you, do not pass the &quot;“Health 2.0 is all hype” leadership&quot; baton to me.  I really don&#039;t want it.  Please find another worthy soul. :-)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dmitiry,<br />
Please, I beg you, do not pass the &#8220;“Health 2.0 is all hype” leadership&#8221; baton to me.  I really don&#8217;t want it.  Please find another worthy soul. <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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