Comments on: CCD Standard Gaining Traction, CCR Fading

By: Jeff Brandt

Jeff Brandt — Fri, 26 Mar 2010 15:19:33 +0000

John, I spoke with a Google engineer at HIMSS and he told me that they were going to support the entire CCR and will be adding the CCD.

HITSP promotes the CCD has added CCR as a secondary document for legacy systems

If we do not support the CCR many EHR and almost all PHR will not be compatible and will not be able to share data. Hospital systems are the most likely candidate for CCD implementation. It is the smaller health systems and PHRs that would suffer by CCD mandate.

I spoke with Dick Taylor, CMIO of Providence Health at Oregon HIMSS a few weeks ago and he told me that CCR data had no value to him and went on to explain that the data can be ambiguous. I agreed with his point but there is still a lot of hand written notes in the system and will be for a long time to come

I feel that CCD will be the end goal but legacy system including CCR data will be around for a long time.

Jeff Brandt
http://www.hieconnect.net

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By: John

John — Thu, 04 Mar 2010 15:06:35 +0000

This post was looking longer term where in over time, CCR will indeed fade, CCD will still have prominence and there will likely be a further melding of the lightweight capabilities that CCR provides in a new standard such as “green CDA” see: http://motorcycleguy.blogspot.com/2010/02/birthing-of-new-standard.html

Just do not believe that the industry will indeed support both CCR & CCD, there will be a rationalization.

When Google Health went GA, they supported (and continue to) a modified, striped-down version of CCR. The PHR company, NoMoreClipBoard has built functionality for Google Health that now allows Google to accept CCD formatted data sets.

From the beginning, HealthVault has supported buth CCR and CCD. HealthVault’s support of both standards has been itrumental in its ability to attract and on-ramp far more data providers than Google to date.

By: John

John — Mon, 01 Mar 2010 04:28:10 +0000

Maybe to say it will completely fade is too bold a statement after all it does take a lot for standard to go away. That being said, do believe that th market will not support two separate standards, that a rationalization will occur and not convinced that CCR will be around several years from now.

That being said, will CCD be around? More than likely yes, as it has the large institutions and their vendors to support it, though also believe that it will go through a major rework to further simplify while maintaining the attributes that larger enterprises appreciate, flexibility.

As for Google Health, they’ve been supporting a modified (even simpler) version of CCR since go live. MSFT’s HealthVault has supported both CCR and CCD since go live.

By: The EHR Guy

The EHR Guy — Sun, 28 Feb 2010 18:00:50 +0000

Saying that CCR is fading away is not factual.

CCD will have more momentum among HIEs, RHIOs, and federated healthcare organizations (e.g., IDNs).

Big vendors such as: GE, McKesson, Epic, etc. will favor CCD since they are the ones that have been promoting it in HL7 for many years.

CCR will be favored by many EMR vendors that would like their products to feed the consumer (e.g., patient, custodian).

I believe each one has their place in the healthcare market albeit in different segments.

And yes, both Google and Microsoft will offer CCR for their health repositories.

Thanks,

The EHR Guy

By: Jon Mertz

Jon Mertz — Thu, 18 Feb 2010 20:30:29 +0000

Interesting and timely discussion. Given CCD’s traction, it is interesting that the healthcare standards IFR calls for both in Stage 1. We are having a similar discussion on these healthcare standards.

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